An Effort to Help Out: Isa/Jesus and Illnesses Such As Parkinson's Disease. Jump to Paroxetine? Comments on Goals.

This is a very, very, dangerous, dangerous, and sensitive topic, but, because so many individuals especially here in America are suffering, in the available words the English language provides, I will attempt at putting out a few words that might help a few folks out.

One of the first questions that may come to people's minds is, why are so many people suffering from Parkinson's Disease, and others like it, where the 'cause' or 'source' of the disease is still medically 'unknown', and a viable, definitive cure is 'unknown'? Or so much of this is thought.

Before getting into that, a quick recap of what Parkinson's disease is, and from there, some readers might already be able to pick up on a few threads of where this might be going, and even improve a medical situation.

These definitions are a few of many, selected from among the top of recent Google search results:

'Parkinson's disease is a progressive movement disorder of the nervous system. It causes nerve cells (neurons) in parts of the brain to weaken, become damaged, and die, leading to symptoms that include problems with movement, tremor, stiffness, and impaired balance. As symptoms progress, people with Parkinson’s disease (PD) may have difficulty walking, talking, or completing other simple tasks.' https://www.ninds.nih.gov/health-information/disorders/parkinsons-disease

'Parkinson’s disease is a brain disorder that causes unintended or uncontrollable movements, such as shaking, stiffness, and difficulty with balance and coordination.'  https://www.nia.nih.gov/health/parkinsons-disease/parkinsons-disease-causes-symptoms-and-treatments

'Parkinson disease (PD) is a brain condition that causes problems with movement, mental health, sleep, pain and other health issues.'  https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/parkinson-disease

Those 3, should give you a rough idea, of just the definition, not the symptoms, not who it affects, just the start up of saying what it is.

Now, take note of what has been noticed, when did Parkinson's Disease make its debut? 

Consider that mankind, giving it a rough estimate, over 5000 years, over 7000 years, pick a number, depending on what chronology you go by, 70,000 of today's years but by time evaluations from far back it seemed shorter, ..., all besides the point, but forms a contrast, let's just say earth and mankind have been around a very long time.

Where was Parkinson's Disease 1000 years ago, or 4000, years ago, or Mr Parkinson?

I haven't read a medieval history book that says from year 1400 to 1500, or 1100BC to 1120BC, again pick a number from a few hundred years ago or more,- there was a spate or epidemic of Parkinson's Disease in the Province of yada yada.


'Parkinson's disease was first medically described as a neurological syndrome by James Parkinson in 1817, though fragments of Parkinsonism can be found in earlier descriptions (Parkinson 1817).' https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3234454/#:~:text=Parkinson's%20disease%20was%20first%20medically,Parkinson's%20disease%20(Parkinson%201817).

Longer excerpt does say:

EARLY CLINICAL DESCRIPTIONS

Defining Parkinson's Disease

Parkinson's disease was first medically described as a neurological syndrome by James Parkinson in 1817, though fragments of Parkinsonism can be found in earlier descriptions (Parkinson 1817). As examples, Sylvius de la Boë wrote of rest tremor, and Sauvages described festination (Sylvius de la Boë 1680; Sauvages 1768; Tyler 1992). Much earlier, traditional Indian texts from approximately 1000 BC and ancient Chinese sources also provide descriptions that suggest Parkinson's disease (Manyam 1990; Zhang et al. 2006). In succinct and pithy English, Parkinson captured the clinical picture:

Involuntary tremulous motion, with lessened muscular power, in parts not in action and even when supported; with a propensity to bend the trunk forward, and to pass from a walking to a running pace: the senses and intellects being uninjured.

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3234454/#:~:text=Parkinson's%20disease%20was%20first%20medically,Parkinson's%20disease%20(Parkinson%201817).

Focusing mainly on the US.

Today in 2024:

"Nearly one million people in the U.S. are living with Parkinson's disease (PD). This number is expected to rise to 1.2 million by 2030. Parkinson's is the second-most common neurodegenerative disease after Alzheimer's disease.

Nearly 90,000 people in the U.S. are diagnosed with PD each year.

More than 10 million people worldwide are living with PD."

https://www.parkinson.org/understanding-parkinsons/statistics


What happened?


And also, who mainly gets Parkinson's?:

"The incidence of Parkinson’s disease increases with age, but an estimated four percent of people with PD are diagnosed before age 50.

Men are 1.5 times more likely to have Parkinson's disease than women."

https://www.parkinson.org/understanding-parkinsons/statistics


Okay- that might've taken up a lot more time and space than necessary, but, if there are any fallbacks, validation issues, so forth, the abovesaid has 'sources cited'.

In summary, Parkinson's affects older men.

So it came to me recently, as well as over at least decade recurringly, the business about Parkinson's, and the 'unknown' cause/cure business.

My upbringing was one that hold everything has a cure. It also included that everything has a cause even if it be the Supreme Creator, your Lord, and other reference titles, was the cause. Hence, ultimately there was a cause, it is just that in cases where ascertainment of each and every step in the cause has not been made or made yet. maybe it is hidden, maybe one refuses to accept the truth about how a disease or illness became present, denied the cause, not advanced yet, veiled form seeing it, and so forth/ other descriptions.


What has been noticed are 2 standout things:

  1. Reiterting, Parkinson's affects older men
  2. It may be plausible that aspects of the history of the United States has something to do with Parkinson's rates; whereat, impacts of Isa/Jesus on the US, could be in the discussion.

As I said, it is very sensitive anytime one is talking about a Prophet; however, the rollout in a timeline might have aspects that make sense.


Today, I went to validate my very strong hunch about something: the Paroxetine, a 'medicine', is used to help 'cure' or combat the symptoms of certain kinds of erratic behaviors considered 'abnormal', a deviance from healthy, etc., whereat it is somehow going to show similar lines to Parkinson's, if not even minimally have tenous connections to it.

The result of Paroxetine is to get the patient/recipient/user into a modality of behavior and condition.

What are those 'healthy'/normal conditions?

Now reference, for example, 'the stillness' discussed in the 'Bible'.

Now also, this is today's English.

Think for a moment, today's English, in what the terms mean, in consideration of words written maybe hundreds of years back and what they meant then, and translation after translation, after version after version, of 'the Bible' [not really going into the Injeel, Gospels etc. too deep here], and then the time, say roughly 1,990 years ago [2024 minus about 30 plus years old], when most folks consider the Injeel to be making its way, -basically.


Now reflect on the history of America. Yes, there were American Indian, Natives, and Arabs for instance that were in America long ago, and so forth; but generally today, in the mainstream of what we have, is a sequence of events that has, males, especially the ones that have economic solidity, whose ancestry might have had branches that go back to waves of immigration from regions where 'Bible' ruled. For example, they came from England around 1700. Potato Famine immigration era from Ireland.

Ways of the Bible were for a long time, a large part of what influenced the ways America was run. 

What made a 'dignified man', [in certain eras,] may have been at least the effort, of the way Isa/Jesus.


How many times has it been seen here in the US, a situation where a man between 60 and 75, that was family man, grandfather of dozens of kids, has a long and celebrated work history, a community leader, a reliable source and standard for thousands of people to seek guidance from, suddenly undergo dropping to the ground, or did not emerge from rest, only to forever further, be in a slouched manner or overly taut condition, and then comes a cycle of ongoing medication? He is the hero no more?

Yes, there are parables that man begins a clot, then becomes reduced at old age; there is a borderline bubble between still too young to go all the way down to suddenly a condition of medical liability with no ability to help others, especially when it could have been moderately easy to prevent, and the natural shrinkage of old age.

More knowledge [seeking]

Stillness, austerity, manliness, these are all qualities that men of generations born in the 1950s and earlier find admirable.

However, there may be times where there is an understanding of these, that can help preempt unnecessary suffering.

For example, a tense muscle tone.

Some males may find it necessary to hold their biceps in tense state 24 hours a day, as they believe that will help the muscles 'look bigger', stay stronger, and thus, look more manly. They never relax it. Maybe some when they go to sleep.

Then there is the frame of mind, the medical cathexis, or 'rigid holding onto' certain ideals, or sub-ideals.

What might wind up happening, is total rigidity, is a state upheld in the mind, that must be, in order to uphold the quality, or spiritual quality, of a dimension of being a rigid and masculine man, while not woman-like. (Reference Leviticus and other areas of 'today's Bible in English'.)

Taking a look at health standards, the tonal states of man change, muscles relax when they go to sleep, muscles build, breakdown, build back up, etc., so they can grow and be larger, without having to flex all day in order to succeed in showing off.

But if a person is so attached to having all muscles rigid all day, it might actually prevent the higher level of health.

It is along those lines of sequences of events, that illnesses with symptoms like Parkinson's could start to creep on in.

Other areas in the list include, phrases like 'suppress the baser self', fight the snakes within you', ignoring pain and driving forward, behaviors that lead to sleep deprivation, well-intended, like working everyday triple overtime 'to feed a family', and so on.


Suggested studies

A specific area of study might be similarities of Paroxetine side effects to symptoms of Parkinson's, as well as exacerbations.

Citing:

"Paroxetine, a selective serotonin reuptake inhibitor, is a widely used antidepressant drug. It can effectively inhibit presynaptic 5-HT uptake and increase 5-HT level in the synaptic cleft of neurons, consequently alleviating depressive disorder and anxiety in PD patients. At the same time, the neurotransmitter activity of 5-HT is enhanced, which can effectively ameliorate motor function. Therefore, paroxetine can not only relieve the symptoms of depression and anxiety, but also contribute to the recovery of neurological function." 

From The effects of paroxetine therapy on depressive symptom and motor function in the treatment of depression with Parkinson’s disease: A meta-analysis

2023 Aug 25;102(34):e34687. doi: 10.1097/MD.0000000000034687

Li-Lin Jiang, Yu-Lin Wu, Ye Mo, Ling Gou, Mei-Ling Chen, Yan Wang, Qing-Min Zang, De-Qi Jiang

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10470685/#:~:text=It%20has%20been%20found%20that,action%20and%20no%20obvious%20cardiotoxicity.&text=Nowadays%2C%20paroxetine%20is%20used%20for,in%20the%20treatment%20of%20dPD.

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Article abstract: 'Selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors have been used in the treatment of depression in patients with PD. Conflicting data as to whether selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors worsen parkinsonian motor symptomatology have been reported. In this study, the additional 6 months therapy with paroxetine 20 mg/d in a group of depressed patients with PD did not modify parkinsonian motor function (Unified Parkinson’s Disease Rating Scale scores); however, in one patient, fully reversible worsening of tremor was observed.'

Paroxetine in Parkinson’s disease: Effects on motor and depressive symptoms

R. Ceravolo, MD, A. Nuti, MD, A. Piccinni, MD, G. Dell’ Agnello, MD, G. Bellini, MD, G. Gambaccini, MD, L. Dell’ Osso, MD, L. Murri, MD, and U. Bonuccelli, MD

October 24, 2000 issue



Conflicts of interest, or not conflictng, or much more science as more studies are performed will shape up the arena, the ballpark points to a consistent theme of rigidity/tonality, especially physiological.

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Brain imaging and brain spaces

'Recent studies associate findings of dVRS with parkinsonism'2

'Virchow–Robin spaces are perivascular, interstitial fluid-filled spaces surrounding cerebral vessels passing from the subarachnoid space through the brain parenchyma'

[translated? from Spanish to English] 


Relación de los espacios de Virchow-Robin con la enfermedad de Alzheimer: a propósito de un caso ... Espacios de Virchow–Robin. ¿una causa de parkinsonismo? (2016)


MRI etc.

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Vagaries of behaviors just before and after sleep of Parkinson's patients 
    When someone, pertinently an adult with life decision making capacity, such as where to buy a house, is first exposed to a parent going through an episode, a 'religious' person's reaction might be to say certain prayers; when that doesn't work, a series of events may occur involving consulting different doctors, hospital admittances, drug and medicine selection, some which might fail and lead to other problems. 
This is a lead in to a big lever, affecting potential outcomes of better or worse: how real, how good, how knowledgeable are the doctors that gave advice? Are they leaving you hooked onto to them to drain promised money but barely know what they are talking about? You cannot get led down a faulty path when your parents' health is at stake. Ask the right questions to be able to accurately gage the abilities of the doctor for the area that you need.


[Taking steps]

An entire book could be written on this subject, going on and on about the meanings of Paroxetine, and other medicines. For now, the suggestion is the standard, seek understanding of the Injeel and other Books, such as Quran and Torah, perhaps Zabur and so on, depending on where you are going, and seek knowledge and understanding of health states and conditions.

Speaking of where you are going, where one should be headed, sometimes the initial goal is not the same goal later in life after more learning. For instance, young guy might say, I want a fast car, fancy house, hot female accomplice, medium aged guy a little older says, I want a dependable car, a faithful wife, a solid income, and real estate at no risk of getting away, older guy says he wants to leave a family legacy.

At some point, some men striving on paths, such as to be like some of what they heard or read about, about Isa/Jesus, might learn from sources available, and it may become a goal, but is the layer of meaning of that goal, really the condition that should stay the goal, especially if a higher level of understanding alters the shape?

Real Sequence of Events in Los Angeles History

An educated person might say to himself, there was a time in America that African Americans were oppressed, they came out a lot from that oppression, and unfortunately one day there was the Rodney King incident, then after that improvements were made, for African Americans.

Does that sum up the basics of LA history?, well something better than nothing, unfortunately might be the way on the lay for some, and unfortunately it might either be about the extent some will learn with illiteracy rates still dismal. (Of course the answer is, of course not, it is far from the totality of LA's history.)


-----Going to draw a line here symbolic of closing out that conversation for a minute, and starting from the blue another similar one with a startup question. -----

In the 1940s there was turbulence over the Zoot Suit.

This back about 80 years ago, for those that are still alive that witnessed the developments, and incidents, they might be getting near centenarians.

Do the Zoot Suit arrests, among other things, and then things got better, sum up the totality of LA history?

The answer is about the same as the first abovesaid, over Rodney King.

Of course the answer is, of course not, it is far from the totality of LA's history.

In terms of the concept, a people overcoming, such as overcoming racial, economic, socio-economic, stereotypes and all that other type of stuff, it is plausible that sometimes perceptions of a timeline might become limited in one's perceptive eye, a shrunken warp from some of the realities of a whole.

----- Drawing another line here, for another close that section, now open up a fresh set of thoughts-----

One day around ten years ago, I until this day think that a set of information I came across had the biggest impact on understanding the history of California, which houses LA, it had to do with Russian exploration and settlement along the US West Coast, which of course included at least portions of California.

For now, these are some, not all by any means, a list of events that occurred that if combined together, could affect perceptions of what really happened in LA.

Keep in mind, the Zoot Suit arrests made by the folks in uniform, or folks in plain clothes business suits that almost looked like the Zoot Suits, but weren't, and the mob-like lashing out by sailors on Zoot Suiters, back in the 1940s, did not happen all by itself.

Neither did the Gold Rush, neither did 'extermination efforts of certain Natives and American Indians, (which the realities of that chronology is planned to be gone into more, or said, rolled out in piece by piece baby feed, because some of what went on is evident from where the larger conversation is going), neither did lashing out against Chinese Americans, reference Exclusion Act era, neither did did Internment Camps of Japanese Americans, and more recent various 'hate infused trends' in this post 2000 millennium. All of these and more were in a timeline, or timelines if one wants to be 'advanced', they did not magically appear as isolated sudden events, then drop off in the same way.

What brings me to this writing, in the effort to not only help organize a timeline and collect the notes in one place to refer back to, and then hope to see a clearer forest from the trees, it is pretty sure that some of the other current baloney that emerged or could emerge because of the warped ideas of history in people's minds, could subside.

Here is the start of the, a, timeline:

The coast of what is now the Continental US sits next to the Pacific

Russians plausibly marrying American Indians and Native Americans, (=children), if gray areas of the difference between one in the same and European Russians meet with descendants of portions of geographically deeply removed India, (a conception)

European immigration and settlement starting from around 1550, (picking a round number) from present day regions like the Emerald Isles,

'Westward Expansion' (ie of mainly European stock) 

What was deemed to be considered American Indian, some came under attack, (keep in mind the part about Russian/ American Indian/ Native)

Chinese Exclusion Act - 1882

Intermittent Filipino migration

Internment Camps, WW II era, affected the region - roughly 1942 to 1946

   Japanese were not the only ones taken to the camps

Bengali immigration, large amounts of marrying between Bengali and Latinos (=children) - markedly apparent in about the mid 1940s

WWII winds down - around 1945

Watts Riots - 1965

Vietnam War winds down - around 1975

Rodney King incident

LA riots - 1992

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Water usually flows, if it moves by itself in the same liquid state, from point A to B, not hop up, fly over a stretch, land, then roll a while, then hop up or disappear, arrive suddenly from a 45 degree angle, make a right, then roll.








What Are and What Were Some of the Major Levers Those 'From' Germany Might Be as Involvement with the Arab World and Middle East?

Well, one way to approach it is to just start drawing up a list or outline.

  • Off-hand, the West Berlin discotheque bombing.1986. It is commonly held that the event was a major factor precipitating military action on Libya.
  • German 'terrorists' that were involved with hijacking the plane, perhaps boarding in a stopover in Athens, Greece, that was eventually the site of the rescue operation in Entebbe, Uganda. 1976.
  • Event involving fatality, Benno Ohnesorg. Close proximity to time and space, were protests/demonstrations/crowd-surges around the opera/ West Berlin area, reported as havng to do with the state visit of the Shah of Iran. 1967.

How Understanding History of Weihaiwei Might Significantly Help Understand Imperialism, Communism, Bolshevism, ... Other '...isms', and Possibly Social Orders

 

Again, not a whole lot to say; let the blank space represent thoughts. One unfamiliar with the topic might start with where Weihaiwei is. A next possibly logical step, is a simple chronology, for instance the past 300 years.

What Are Some of the Things the 1940s Held in It Regarding French Interface with Lebanon?



Yes, the body portion of this blog post is about blank. The title speaks a lot.

There are sufficient resources available on the Internet to get started making gains on getting some information on the topic. For example, Encyclopedia Britannica's article, French Mandate, at https://www.britannica.com/place/Lebanon/French-mandate.

As of October 16, 2024, it was evident there might have been an issue going around, where information from the news, might have been getting used by bullies in the quest of money and other material and power type this and that; the severity of the pain and sufferring due to violence that was going on, has made it difficult to want to speak more on the subject, especially as to what may have been behind the violence.

So instead of a scholastic, education based set of statements that would ordinarily make coherent sense for level-headed adults to read and appreciate, more to the discussion for now will be post-poned.

Before, During, and After the Entebbe Raid/ Operation Thunderbolt/Yonatan

When for decades, some have gone their entire life, you were told or led to believe that there only existed a brief, summed up in one sentence, 'as an alternative to Palestine, Uganda was considered as the location for Israel', the study here, whether you use mine, yours, someone elses, or a combination, might be somewhat of a far cry from that simple statement.

The way it was made to sound, when it made its way around education circles in the US several decades ago, is a few individuals sat around a table, and for a few minutes, pondered the idea of Uganda for a home for what would be a homeland to fulfill a vision. Perhaps moreover, it sounded like nothing was happening in Uganda in regard to Israeli cultivation of a presence there, perhaps wth the exception of a few hour long wanderings by explorers in the region of Uganda, to check and see if the climate and conditions would be suitable for an Israel to get established there.

Unless one was PhD holder or student of the region and with respect to Israeli developments, most folks in the US did not seem to know much about the whole thing; the relatively few that did, if they heard of such a topic, may have been considered as holding special knowledge, and individuals of higher echelon.

This keeps in mind that for a long time, realities about Africa as a larger geographic, was suprressed, and made opaque in certain aspects. For an 'average American', back in the mid 1970s, early 1980s, to know off-hand a thing or two and the location of Uganda, within Africa, might have been almost strange. 

The Entebbe incident at the airport, 1976, once it hit the news, might have increased popularity for a little while, but then died back down. Even today in 2024, day-to-day news about Uganda is rarely, perhaps once or twice in the same number of years, at the most, in the front page news, nevermind a headline newspaper story, in American newspapers and websites.

What happened at the airport in Entebbe in 1976, and what happened before and after, deserves further study.

What 'before' refers to here, is much larger than what might first be thought of, especially if one is unfamiliar with the airport incident.

Before, can refer to years of developments in Uganda, not just the 24 hours before the flight landed in Entebbe.

The video has some information that daubs at that there were a number of developments in Uganda, some information on the hijacking of the referent plane, rescue operation, and some of the subsequent ripples. 

Entebbe Raid : The Israeli Raid that humiliated Idi Amin of Uganda   https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=UTrfYgMxYq0


There may be more content to come, in this post; there is much more that can be brought up and expounded on.

My Job Does Not Include Being Hateful

Respectfully, as there are sayings that befit a circumstance, but could be said in a tone taken wrongly; when writing, it might not be clear at first which tone one is using [respectful or disrespectful], so we start this post by saying respectfully, so everyone knows that is the one that is being used,-

Respectfully, you know, I could have continued to write in the previous post, Looking Beneath the Glossover. What Really Happened in the Arab World/ Middle East in the 1980s?..., about points in the chronology of the Arab World/ Middle East that would disprove what it is entities are using to perpetrate and perpetuate unnecessary and unjust violence, [disproving] through their very own developments they developed to bring about peace; and eventually lead into the principle that some of the hate that is directed to individuals in the region, are really best left out.

In that effort, I could use among many illustrations and many sources, the book On the Kabbalah and Its Symbolism (Scholem; about 1960, translated 1969...1972), to point out the Zohar, and the close binds to keeping it close, by invitees to the region near Jerusalem decades back; reference, 'airplanes as magic carpets', or Operation Magic Carpet [around late 1940s]; and at the same time, criticize portions of the book, which haphazardly say inaccuracies like paraphrased, 'Islam was based from Christianity', meanwhile the Quran clearly mentions other Prophets, the Injeel, and Torah, which came before its [the Quran] revelation, about 600 years after the Injeel. Both of which might show that premises for hate are brought to rubbish.

...Geographic boundaries of Bany Israel through times, what was it, the bany, the children, left, came back, left, came back, went to?, came back, went to?, and so on; what was or was not Israel in the framework that references Bany Israel in ancient historical sources, especially the Quran.

...When numerous individuals underwent forced conversion, of their religious practices, in eras of history of the region commonly called today Palestine.

... And of course there are other discussions, all of which illustrate that some of the events going on in the region today that involve unjust mass violence, is baseless.

For right now, I will bypass those putting those thoughts in writing, and look to some of the more pleasant things that will stand the test of time, anywhere, any place.

Still, in today's times and era there are a few social developments that have loud marks.

These may include but not limited to:

  • Wars/tensions in/with Asia
    • Far East Asia
      • Vietnam
      • Laos
      • Korean War
      • Anti-Japanese propaganda especially in and around 1946 (also confer sublist WWII)
      • Anti-imperialist propaganda (also confer sublist WWII)
      • Anti-socialist/communist propaganda (also confer sublist WWII)
    • Arab World
      • Iraq War
      • Post 9-11 combat
      • Tensions in Afghanistan as they opposed Russian occupation in the 1970s and 80s
      • Events pertinent to the region around Quds/Jerusalem
  • WWII
    • Anti-German propaganda
    • Anti-Jew propaganda
    • Pro-Allies
    • Anti-Allies
    • Pro-Axis
    • Anti-Japanese propaganda especially in and around 1946 (also confer sublist Asia...)
    • Anti-imperialist propaganda (also confer sublist Asia...)
    • Anti-socialist/communist propaganda (also confer sublist Asia...)
    • etc
If one briefly looks at these they might say that each and everyone of them often involves or is associated with the word 'hate' to make enmities with others all work.

Briefly explaining what is meant in this post 'military industrial complex'. To be patriotic may be a good thing. I am not going to not be patriotic. There are numerous military industrial complexes in different regions of the world, with different groups and governments that develop and facilitate them. In the financial arena, of people trying to make money, there may be occurrences where misers in the tens of thousands at a time on any given day, solicit a military for an idea, such as a military weapon that the seller thinks is fancy, effective and sophisticated, and the military turns down about 99% of these sales slicksters. It is the sales slicksters that put money before human dignity I am referring to, and referring to them loosely as a concept for contrast in illustration. Often, the 'industrial' aspect, usually means and involves making money, or 'job creation' and [job] sustainment, behind them. Of course jobs may be critical to sustaining an economy. All said, when I say something like, blah blah thoughtfully planned plan which is also wicked, goes to feed the military industrial complex, that does not mean startup looking negatively at the US military, it may just mean that when refining your inner attitudes, to know when to draw the line in the sand between things that have been in history that were during a wartime era, to 'keep boys motivated to fight', that may not need to hang on as embedded in your mind-psych-spirit-heart-etc, for instance well outside of wartime, and while walking down the street amongst neighbors in your town.

The blanks to this post will get filled in.

Let's start with one that may be easier to quickly get a grasp of.

Two maps of China.

There are the maps of China that are popularly seen today, post year 2020 (AD), and there are maps of China, for this post, say around 1920, the one before what might be called the 'big break [up]'. Just look at the inside flap of John Roots' book Chou [authored roughly 1978].

There are other maps of China over the centuries.

To keep things simplified, comparing the two maps, today's post 2020, and maps of 100 years ago, it might bring one to the question, just what is 'China' when it is spoken in conversation?

The two maps show different geographic regions contained.

Older one might have for instance, parts of today's Russia, Mongolia, and so on. The newer one sort of looks like a circular Turkish bread loaf held in front of one's eyes at about a 45 degree tilt from front to back, perhaps a lot smaller than the old map of China.

The map here from a Columbia University/ consultant SUNY, has comparisons for 4 eras.

You might want to take a look at this minute long video, (courtesy ScienceDirect), if you're interested in seeing more about the changes over time. In regard to the '2 maps' referenced, the last 10 seconds of the video, has the last 2 border phases, which in the generation today, ipso facto, the last phase is perhaps what is familiar with by most on day to day basis, however, a great grandparent that may have been alive before 1880, might have lived through both the last 2, possibly 3 phases. Changes happened as to who was who on a geopolitical level during a lifetime. 
Source https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdHkY3XYHKA

    More maps and pics such as of maps, might be put in this post later.

The point is, if one were to digress, unfortunately, into hate of some sort, when the name China or Chinese is brought up, which set of geographic containment, if geography was the basis, are you referring to?

A rule of thumb that stands here, is often, those ignorant enough to digress into hate, probably do not know the details of either or barely any map, nevermind the differences. And that there are difference which could contradict the arguments for a basis of hate, that brings the basis of hate to rubbish.


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Having roots in Manhattan New York, I wonder sometimes, why focuses were emphasized by others that wanted a certain way of thinking and attitude, to be had on the Middle East, especially simple divides, or focus of anti-Asian, through the 1970s; was it one in the same grand plan, or two separate, or both depending on the convenience? In any event, the whole earth, creation etc., over long span of time, is just that; there is no time, [if one wants to have a rightfully refined inner and contribute to betterment], to get tied up in two or three little specks on the timeline and make it your life.

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Topic: Go Germans! Then, 'the Nazis have gone too far'. Then, it's Go GIs and Allies, and came with it sometimes for some, was disdain for Germans, maybe a 180 degree turnaround in attitude

Looking at that fragment right there, seeing forest from trees, does it make sense for someone to claim themself as psychologically healthy and mature, say a 60 year old man with grandchildren and many branches related to his nuclear family, in America, in today's post 2020 era, to be described as in the group whose attitudes shifted 180 degrees in a matter of a day or two over some hype, and it stuck with them another 4, 5, 6, 7 or so decades?
How could someone embed in themself hate for a person based off a few pedigree points, when they were an advocate of the very same person just a few days before, on the same basis?

That's one of the things war propaganda can do to individuals with impressionable minds.

If one was about 20 years old for illustration, back in the era of D Day, roughly 1944, or even after, when troops came home and expected the next generation or others younger than they to admire the war tunes and stories, it might be understandable to [go or be] gung ho, or if one were on the other side of the battle lines, had allegiance to opposing side, to subscribe to some of the ethnic and nation tied dimensions, for a little while, -but then, outgrow it.

Digging a bit deeper, propaganda for hate against Jews and Roma, among others, was part of the driving force to facilitate the oppression during the decades just before D Day. The jingle in mindset may have been along the lines of hating one group and fan-clubbing the other as they sought and plotted to carry out destructive activities. There indeed may have been certain individuals that produced 'intoxicating to the psychological health', things like magazines, and promoted behaviors that may briefly be described as perversions, which, may have been the ground or rationale some people had at that time while they perhaps referenced stern religious teachings, to condone violence to continue. According to an overwhelming, numerous amount of research over the last at least 80 years, many may have concluded that, the gone too far, outside the scope, past making a point, and other descriptions in those veins, is what the status of developments was in the moments just before D Day. Moreover, becoming existent was the violence itself of WWII, including dragging many into war, and huge loss of life.

Without going into details of reports of the Nazi missions in certain times, summarily for illustration,-
Perceptions of an overly-simplistic equation of anti-Semitic, anti-Roma, anti-Muslim, and other slogans, while Nazi was pro-White [race] was the adversary, may have been perceived by some as simmering down to a colored versus White equation; and that may be where other ethnicities besides the just mentioned, such as African Americans, may have felt they were on an 'opposing side' of the Nazi, thus [Afro or African Americans and others, Native American with African American combined ancestry and so forth,] they were on the opposing side of something that was not on the side of the nearby if not concurrent in time Civil Rights era.

The result, anti-German propaganda + Civil Rights sentiment = anti German, set in the psyche perhaps unfairly too much.

Bringing up a few historical backdrop pieces:
  • German Americans that served in the US Civil War 
Numerous fought on the side of Union.
Refer for instance, these 3 sources:
German Americans In the War
"German Americans also developed strong anti-slavery and pro-Union views..."
"...Germans met for military drills at their own "Turnvereins" or social clubs."
    • Wikipedia has article, retrieved 9/2024, German Americans in the American Civil War
More than 200,000 native-born Germans, along with another 250,000 1st-generation German-Americans, served in the Union Army, notably from New York, Wisconsin, and Ohio. Several thousand also fought for the Confederacy.
  • Number of persons in the US that reported German ancestry
The 2022 American Community Survey statistics are showing about 41.1 million people in the United States, or roughly just over 12% of the population, reported German ancestry, corresponding to  German being the most reported ancestry.
Census.gov
  • Kleindeutschland/ Little Germany
...this a cluster of population in the Manhattan area; evident in Civil War trends referenced above, there were many others.


All to say the obvious that everyone, or perhaps safer to say just about everyone pitched in to build the very America that some persons may still be walking around fuming in, with grievances against certain ethnicities, whether consciously or unconsciously aside, in some instances the basis and the extent of the attitudes, said nicely, might not have, really very much basis, especially in consideration of the larger timeline.

Some have experienced first hand some incidents of Naziism gone extreme, especially back in the wartime and just before wartime era; understood; what I am talking about is the mundane, day-to-day, walking about in town, post 2020 era of today, where no one is thinking about hate in the melting pot, in the grocery stores, common courtesy at the traffic signals, in the education settings like schools. The stark contrast, is all of a sudden, someone in 2024 says, hey, I don't like such and such or so and so, although they a full American, just like the commentor, and it stems from propaganda and fostered attitudes from back in WWII.

Needless to say, it is even more embarrassing when those criticizing Germans and those with German descent, have German descent themselves. Same of course is true when attitudes get hot at Arabs, by Arab Americans that might not know they are grandchildren of Arab Americans. And so on.

What plausibly may have happened that lead up to conflicting attitudes but both manifested, really briefly daubed, is a pro-German attitude arose initially back in the about the 1920s, then switched to anti-German in the latter days of WWII, after the 'Allies determined what was going too far'. 

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Realities in the Civil War
I mentioned above a dimension of the Civil War, reference the amount of those with German ancestry that served.

In studies of history and genealogy, I have found almost an absurd amount of material that uncovers conflictive or suppressed information about the pedigree and ethnic composition of families. As suspected, their are overlaps when it came to military conflicts.

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