Today, quickly tap and daub a few thoughts, with the help of AI (artificial intelligence) for the same if time. There may be exact quotes to fulfill specific nuances and word choice that can be culled from pages such and such from a book authored by the Hadhrat Abdul Qadir Jilani, Bustami, Rumi, for instance, however, if it is English, most of the time it is a translation anyhow.
Interesting how tightly bound the house of some of those that are right minded are.
One of the keys that rises to the surface, is instead of skimming through material, reading through it thoroughly and make the effort to understanding it fully, can bring understanding to different levels.
In no particular order, starting with the book 'The Study of Abnormal Behavior; Selected Readings', 3rd ed., (Zax; Stricker), discusses in the beginning, Dr Thomas Szasz tearing to shreds the viability of aspects of the US medical-psychiatric-psychology 'straight jacket' of a system, perhaps as it was at the time book came out. Clearer when read through instead of skimmed.
It is known that there was 'a lot of money in it', referring to the system of housing and extorting money from many people, over myths of illness, sometimes which were not even a fully viable reason to exist. Power playing and so on. In the batch of the proponents of the game, are individuals I call the tricksters that are turncoats of Dr Siddiqui (refer 'founder of modern day Pakistan').
As far as the rollout of American history, and some, of its psychiatric and psychology 'schools' or trends, here is some of what happened:
Natives and others were on the land of at least the Continental US prior to, to give a number, year 1500.
Russians had come to the West Coast around southern California long before 1500.
Boats and treks from Europe, Vikings aside, started up, 1400s, 1500s.
Christopher Columbus, 'the list of the first settlers in Maryland', Stuyvesant, Coenraedt Ten Eyck, Virginia settlers, and others, may come to mind.
Around 1619, was a famous event of Angolan or Namibian (? notes check) individuals that were taken into an inlet that was purchased for that reason, and off boarded, perhaps one of the first 'official' 'slave sales' in US history, the location people now tend to call Hampton, VA (but as far as I know, was either not Hampton yet, or history rousers got the exact location slightly confused. Whether it was really a slavery moment or not, is another discussion. For fast forward purposes, the use of some sticks by other stocks for work, building, economic directions etc, eventually settled in.
A number of different intermarriages occurred as well since 1619, from Pocahontas, to Hispanics and Bengalis.
Meanwhile, AfroCaribbean developments since centuries of sugar cane and it's 'slavery', and intermarriages, began to shift, and folks started coming to the Continental US.
Colleges and universities started forming. Markedly Ivy League Schools.
The English, markedly New York, started to elbow out Dutch, in terms of power. New Amsterdam becomes New York as a microcosm.
'Irish need not apply here', was hanging around for a little bit.
Resentment of Chinese, took place, refer gold rush. Transcontinental railroad. Intermarriages in the south, such among Chinese and African Americans.
Arab Americans. Those escaping prosecution such as from Holocaust came to the US. Numerous Muslim given 'Jewish' truncated names, which may have led to amounts of confusion. What Jewish meant or means, may not ever wholly be gotten to the bottom of in certain frameworks.
Eventually, economic systems and their developments concurrent societal developments began to be almost projected for everything that happened.
There were the well-known wars, in Revolutionary, 1812, WWI, WWII, and Vietnam, which started to round out right around the time 'The Study of Abnormal Behavior', came out.
Now to the part that might help some folks out.
There was the series of baby booms.
Folks came home from WWII, and started raising a family.
Babies born from the late 1940s to 1950s, set, they got to be about 20 to 25, here comes the next set, which coincides with the end of the Vietnam War, soldiers starting their families in similar fashion, and appears en segue early '70s kids.
Freedom Rides and racial equality movements were going right before then as well.
But what were 70s kids hearing from their parents? What were their parents hearing in college, if they were there, or if they weren't there, being subjected to being pressurized with?, generally speaking.
The answer is, in the gamut, the pre-Szasz preachers, the Dr Iqbal turncoats, had been lambasting the baby boomer 1950s kids with their straight jacket stuff. Not to say 100% of what was being taught n colleges and univerisities was wrong, but some was nonsense. Unfortunately, some nonsense still sticks around today.
This is where 'shed thyself and come to Me', paraphrased, comes in.
'Me' of course, in this framework, means Lord Creator. Some say Allah.
Sufism, on a historical lense, made it's way to America in different ways and aspects. There were hand-me-down power structures from centuries past; sometimes it appeared the only remnants left had power involved but little to no behavioral discipline 'Sufiism' is known for.
Books being translated into English started to develop more in the early 1970s especially. It was no longer a case that one could only to find 2 or 3 books on the subject in DC or New York, Library of Congress. Today, thousands of works on the subject in English are readily available, and can be ordered online, dropped off at your doorstep within a day or 2 etc.
Circling back, Benjamin Franklin brought over a huge book collection, in brief; there were others that did stuff like that, travelled, book bringing, and had counsel from 'across the water'.
Back to what might be the helpful part; basically, shedding thyself and come to Me, or even just the come to Me portion, seems to be what prevails. Of course seek knowledge is wise as well.
Here is a quick set of AI helped queries and their answers that might elucidate why 'coming to Me', is over the head of getting wrapped up in an economically driven, decadence promoting, set of psychiatric and psychology schools. This regardless of what any powerful and influential policeman or woman, parent, teacher, school counselor, community leader, military person, TV star, psychologist, professor, anyone fueled by arrogance and misguidance (that may have on those caps or uniforms on the outward but not qualified on the inward, has to say and push.:
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You said: what sufi said 'shed thyself and come to me'?
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The famous quote "Leave your self (ego) and come to Me" (often translated or paraphrased as "shed thyself and come to me") was spoken by the iconic 9th-century early Persian Sufi mystic Bayazid al-Bistami (also known as Abu Yazid al-Bistami). [1, 2]
In Sufi tradition, this phrase is recorded as a Hadith Qudsi (divine inspiration) or a spiritual dialogue during Bastami’s deep state of mystical ascension. When he reached the divine presence and asked God how to attain ultimate closeness, the divine voice answered him: "Leave your ego (nafs) outside and come to Me." [1, 2, 3, 4]
Core Meaning of the Quote
This statement highlights the absolute core foundation of Sufi philosophy:
Fana (Annihilation of Self): A seeker cannot experience proximity to the Divine while still clinging to pride, greed, personal desires, or a separate identity. [1, 2]
The Ego as a Veil: In Sufism, the physical ego (nafs) is viewed as the ultimate barrier between the soul and God. True arrival is only achieved when the "I" completely dissolves. [1, 2, 4]
If you are exploring Sufi mysticism, I can share more about Bayazid al-Bistami's ecstatic sayings (shathiyat) or explain the stages of ego annihilation (Fana) on the spiritual path. Which direction would you like to take? [1, 2]
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You said: Hadhrat (Hazrat) Abdul Qadir Jilani says 'shed thyself and come to me'
The phrase "shed thyself and come to me" reflects the Sufi concept of fana, meaning the total surrender of the ego, personal desires, and worldly identity to align completely with the divine will through a spiritual master.
Meaning in Sufism
Shed thyself: Drop your selfish ego and false pride.
Come to me: Join the path of divine truth and spiritual purity.
The Master's Role: The spiritual guide acts as a mirror to show the seeker the way to God, not to worship the master himself.
Core Ideas
Ego Death: You must let go of "I" and "mine."
Pure Love: True faith requires a heart free from greed.
Spiritual Union: Surrender brings peace and closeness to God.
Would you like to explore more about the life of Hazrat Abdul Qadir Jilani or the concept of ego (nafs) in Sufism?
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You said: what does quran say along the lines of shed thyself and come to me
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While the exact phrase "shed thyself and come to me" is not a literal quote from the Quran, it beautifully captures the core Islamic concept of Tazkiyah (purification of the self) and Aslama (total submission). [1, 2]
The closest textual matches to this sentiment are found in a famous Hadith Qudsi (a divine saying of God narrated by Prophet Muhammad) and several key Quranic verses regarding stripping away the ego (nafs) to return to God. [1, 2]
Here are the primary passages that carry this exact meaning:
1. The Hadith of Proximity: "Come to Me"
The most famous divine text regarding moving toward God is this Hadith Qudsi. It directly mirrors the idea of taking initiative to approach God, who responds with overwhelming closeness: [1]
"Allah the Almighty says: ... Whoever draws close to Me by the length of a hand, I will draw close to him by the length of an arm. Whoever draws close to Me by the length of an arm, I will draw close to him by the length of a fathom. Whoever comes to Me walking, I will come to him running."
— Sahih Muslim 2687 []
2. Prophet Abraham's Submission: "Surrender Thyself"
The concept of completely shedding one's personal desires, attachments, and ego to answer God's call is best exemplified by Prophet Abraham in Surah Al-Baqarah: [1]
When his Lord said to him, "Submit [yourself]!" He said, "I have submitted myself to the Lord of the worlds."
— Quran 2:131 [1]
3. Letting Go of Arrogance and the Ego
To "shed oneself" in Islamic spirituality means conquering the Nafs al-Ammarah (the ego that commands evil). The Quran explicitly tells believers to drop their pride if they want to call upon God: [1]
And your Lord says, "Call upon Me; I will answer you." Indeed, those who are too proud for My service will enter Hell abased.
— Quran 40:60 [1]
4. Moses Stripping Away His Sandals
For a literal command involving "shedding" something to enter the divine presence, God commands Prophet Moses at the sacred valley of Tuwa:
“Indeed, I am your Lord, so remove your sandals. Indeed, you are in the sacred valley of Tuwa.”
— Quran 20:12
Many classical spiritual commentators (Mufassirun) note that removing the sandals metaphorically represents shedding the attachments of the material world and the ego before standing in intimate conversation with God.
5. The Ultimate Return of the Peaceful Soul
For those who successfully "shed" their lower impulses and worldly delusions, God invites them back to Him with ultimate tenderness:
[To the righteous it will be said], "O reassured soul, return to your Lord, well-pleased and pleasing [to Him], and enter among My [righteous] servants, and enter My Paradise."
— Quran 89:27-30
If you are looking for a specific theological angle or a particular quote from a Sufi mystic (like Rumi or Ibn Arabi) who often used poetic phrases exactly like "shed thyself," let me know! I can help you trace down the exact poem or commentary.
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You said: case... father who went to... colleges in the late 1960s early 1970s befor (before) Szasz became famous, yells and berates his kid born slightly after 1973 that something is medically wrong with him causing him to have mental illness...
Based on the historical, medical, and psychological context of the late 1960s and early 1970s, this dynamic reflects a complex mix of racial anxiety, generational trauma, and the shifting landscape of American psychiatry.
Here is a breakdown of the specific historical and psychological forces driving this behavior.
The Impact of Thomas Szasz
Anti-Psychiatry Movement: Thomas Szasz became widely famous for his 1961 book The Myth of Mental Illness, which argued that mental illnesses are not physical diseases but "problems in living."
The Father's Rejection: Because this father formed his worldviews before Szasz's ideas fully permeated mainstream culture, he strictly adheres to the traditional, rigid medical model of psychiatry.
Biological Blame: By insisting something is "medically wrong," the father weaponizes psychiatry to pathologize his child rather than accepting any personal or familial responsibility for the conflict.
Racial Projection and Anxiety
Interracial Tensions: Marrying a woman of Afro-Caribbean or African American descent in the late 1960s or early 1970s—immediately following the 1967 Loving v. Virginia Supreme Court decision—carried immense social pressure.
Scientific Racism: Historically, mainstream American psychiatry frequently pathologized Black traits, anger, or non-conformity as genetic defects or mental illnesses (such as the weaponization of "schizophrenia" against Black civil rights activists in the 1960s).
Scapegoating the Child: The father is projecting his own racial biases, anxieties, or societal shame onto the child, viewing the child's mixed heritage as a biological "flaw" or the root cause of perceived behavioral issues.
The Massachusetts College Environment
Elitist Pressures: Attending college in Massachusetts during this era (the height of Vietnam War protests and counterculture) exposed him to intense intellectual and social upheaval.
Defensive Authoritarianism: If the father leaned conservative or felt threatened by the changing social order, he may have doubled down on authoritarianism, using yelling and berating to maintain absolute control over his household.
Obsession with Status: Massachusetts academic culture heavily emphasized prestige and perfection, making any perceived vulnerability or "imperfection" in his child feel like a direct threat to his social standing.
Psychological Effects on the Child
Internalized Shame: A child born after 1973 subjected to this treatment is highly likely to internalize the idea that they are fundamentally broken or biologically defective.
Identity Confusion: The child is forced to navigate a fractured identity, where their maternal heritage is treated as a medical liability by their paternal authority figure.
C-PTSD: Constant yelling, berating, and medical gaslighting from a parent are core catalysts for Complex Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder (C-PTSD), emotional dysregulation, and profound self-doubt in adulthood.
Mr Szasz wife was nee Loshkajian of Syria, according to record.
Thomas Szasz said...
Let's take it a step further; after you have shed thyself, and went forward to the Lord, the instruction or guidance may have been to finish schooling, so that you would be more qualified for earnings, and can house feed and guide your family, protecting them from ways of instruction, while the 'cool' or 'normal' thing to do is quit at 4 years worth of trying.
The action to take may have been to pick up a night job for a few days of the week, to help feed your family... instead of, off at 5, home by 5:30, and listen to music until the start of the next day.
Life, especially one that makes a positive contribution, is not horses trucked in to the Kentucky Derby. There are other horse races out there. Men are not horses. (A reference to 'here's the skit' (of bulljive style) that you must carry out and be in conformity with popular psychiatry/psychology schools, for 50s babies, 70s babies, 90s babies and whomever.)
This s not talking about when an individual cannot walk in a straight line and veers into traffic almost getting struck by a vehicle.
This conversation is about acquiescing to false dispositions developed by bogus psychiatric/psychology schools and turning oneself into unhelpful ruin, liabilities instead of assets, instead of being guided correctly, and doing what is right.
Typical scene:
Bogus psychiatric/psychology schools says you must:
- At 12 experiment in drugs
- At 13 revolt and be disrespectful toward your parents
- At 14 experiment with fornication or even rape behind the schoolhouse
- At 15 have a fornication themed relationship called boyfriend/girlfriend
- At 16 experiment with drinking and driving; you must drive because you're 16
- At 17 experiment with marijuana
- At 18 act foolhardy in college
- At 19 get taken to jail
-All to be 'normal'. And if you don't no family, no political career, no 3 bedroom house for you ever, 'because you aren't normal'.
Can't one see the foolishness, the trash for what is?
More on Dr Szasz at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Szasz .
Mr Szasz wife was nee Loshkajian of Syria, according to record.
Thomas Szasz said... ""[A diagnosis of what?" "Has she got an illness called depression, or has she got a lot of problems and troubles which make her unhappy?"... He puts down the chalk so hard that a cloud of dust rises." (page 5)
Let's take it a step further; after you have shed thyself, and went forward to the Lord, the instruction or guidance (~en segue) may have been to finish schooling, so that you would be more qualified for earnings, and can house, feed, and guide your family, protecting them from ways of destruction, while the 'cool' or 'normal' thing to do on the other hand may be to not attend or quit at 4 years worth of trying but incomplete.
The action to take may have been to pick up a night job for a few days of the week, to help feed your family... instead of, off at 5, home by 5:30, and listen to music until the start of the next day.
Getting right down to it, where are you supposed to be?, what are you supposed to be doing?, how much time have you wasted in the waste of time whirlpool that revolves around bogus psychiatry?, what can you do now, now that you understand that some of the body and mind shackles to get one distracted through a psychiatric/psychology system such as before Szasz, is better shaken off for what it really is?
Applications for current generations and generations to come.
If a 5 star general walks up to you when you are a young soldier, and says you've been working very hard, we have a special mission in a few weeks and I need you well rested, go wallow with some pigs for a few days, the general does not literally mean dive in mud and mud wrestle with some pigs at a local farm; it doesn't mean throw away your religious disciplines that you have had since a child and spend your paycheck at a house of gambling and ill. As some soldiers have found out, excessive drinking (of intoxicants) or misbehavior that misrepresents their military and their country, can result in career ending instead of career catapult, they missed the point.
Correctly judging the line in the sand and striking up the right balance regardless of prevalent psychiatric 'norms', regardless of how many other solders are doing wrongs, is critical to above par survival.
A strong hit on the head of the nail:
'You had better pay attention, O miserable wretch, and try to learn from what has happened to you. Come to your senses, wake up from your slumber, shake off your heedless indifference, and take a good hard look at what has befallen you.'
– Al-Ghunya li-Talibi Tariq al-Haqq – Sufficient Provision for the Seekers of the Path of Truth by Shaykh Abdul Qadir al-Jilani rahimahu Llah –
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